Hooray! I’ve been accepted into the RPG Bloggers Network! To celebrate, here’s something that I’ve been working on today with the help of a lot of Twitter users and other bloggers.
UPDATE: If you like this, be sure to check out the errata over at Vulcan Stev’s Database! After all, like he says, what’s a ruleset without errata?
Also, be sure to check out the Speculative Netbook of 5e. Compatible with all current editions of Dungeons and Dragons, this comes close to emulating the feel of 5th Edition.
If you’ve been following any of the RPG Bloggers Network bloggers on Twitter, than you have caught wind of the latest, soon-to-be-trending, topic: #iHate5e. You see, Dungeons and Dragons, 4th Edition has been out for just about a year now, and yet still if you were to go to any RPG forum, one of the most common topics is whether or not it is better or worse than the previous edition. Well, @madbrewlabs (of Mad Brew Labs) had had enough.
The edition/playstyle discussions/rants/whining saps my desire to read many RPG blogs. I think we can shelve it until D&D 5ive comes out.
The conversation the followed changed the face of Twitter forever.
@madbrewlabs Maybe instead we should get started early on hating 5E.
- @jrients
@jrients Speculative hating… sounds interesting.
In an instant, #iHate5e was born, a new hashtag to talk about all the things people didn’t like about the upcoming edition of the world’s most popular role-playing game. The result is a beautiful mish-mash of conflicting mechanics, nonsensical rules, and hilarious add-ons. Here are some of the best tweets representing Dungeons and Dragons, 5th Edition.
Core Rules
I don’t like having to turn my character sheet sideways every time I use an ability… #ihate5e
- @merb101
What is with using stats from FATAL? #Ihate5E
Taking a short rest requires the players to twitter about the encounter, and a long rest make an in character blog post #ihate5e
Am intrigued by “Wield Compatriot” feat. Does this mean I can swing my Hand-and-a-halfling with one hand? #ihate5e
I kinda like the yes/no/maybe character sheet box for “Can GM kill this character?” #ihate5e
- @merb101
Edible power cards that must be consumed to use a spell?!?! What an awful, though admittedly tasty, idea. #ihate5e
@merb101 True, but I hate how you now have to sign off that WotC can use your character w/o reimbursement on every character sheet. #ihate5e
I don’t mind requiring miniatures, but requiring COSTUMES is a bit too much. #ihate5e
Char creation takes too long. Do I really need to play out 18 years of my char’s life in real time? BTW looking for a game in 2027. #ihate5e
- @kynn
error 404: The rule you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. #iHate5e
Reciting memorized Bible verses as spells sucked in Dragonraid and it sucks in 5e. #ihate5e
- @jrients
D&D5e painstakingly designed to be as close an experience as possible to Tom Hanks classic “Mazes and Monsters”. #ihate5e
5e combat based entirely on high school-level geometry. Attack rolls use new stat called THAC3.14159265. #ihate5e
- @direflail (later revised to THACπ by @MacGuffen)
All books are core? All books, ever? #ihate5e
House rules abolished in 5e. Books can detect rule-bending and immediately self-destruct. Encumbrance rules suddenly feel heavier. #ihate5e
Bards have to actually *sing* now? At the table? Oh, that’ll end well. #ihate5e
- @Oddysey
More on the “pornification” problem: I think the new stat of Bad Touch Armor Class was a really tasteless move. #ihate5e
- @kynn
The PHB just contains 320 pages of pictures. You point at the one which represents your character. The DM does the same with the MM #ihate5e
…….whoever points fastest wins the combat #ihate5e
RT @jimanda2: I leveled up six times tonight! I heart 5E! #Ihate5e But now there are 1000 levels!!!
Nuff said: “Requires 5th Ed Dungeons & Dragons Player’s Handbook, Dungeon Master’s Guide, Monster Manual, and a Holodeck to play.” #ihate5e
- @kynn
cosmology has been condensed into ‘this world’ and ‘that world’ #ihate5e
Modeling the game on Rock Band? Annoying. The fighter keeps hitting me in the head with her bec-de-corbin controller. #ihate5e
- @kynn
Races, Classes, and Power Sources
Do we really need 2 ninja races and one half-ninja race? #Ihate5e
Arcane magic caused by microscopic lifeforms known as midi-chlorians. #ihate5e
- @jatori
Subscription based powers, may only be used if you pay for ddi_<power_source>, meaning multi-classing requires 2 subscriptions #ihate5e
I thought my Warforged transforming into a car would be cool. Now I’m just the party workhorse. Literally. #ihate5e
Hooray! Munchkin and Rules Lawyer are finally playable classes … But #ihate5e nevertheless
furries are a playable race *shudder* #ihate5e
Technology
Coming soon for 5th Edition D&D: The 4th Edition Character Visualizer! #ihate5e
The DM Tools are just a bunch of guys with sideways hats and popped collars that can run the game for you. #ihate5e
The VT is Mac only? Wat???? #iHate5e
I’m not really comfortable with the fact that D&D Insider is now literally inside me. #ihate5e
I can’t sync the thumbprint lock on my books with my MANDATORY D&D Insider account. WotC can’t program! #ihate5e
Supplements and Settings
Wizards brought back grapple, and the rules are explained in the Grappling Handbook? Which is 179 pages long? Thanks. #ihate5e
- @mccoo1
Splatbooks for each stat?! Who the hell is going to buy the Complete Constitution Handbook?
- @jrients
The PHB is renamed “Dragon” and the DMG is called “Dungeon”. A new one is published monthly, via D&D Insider #ihate5e
I cant believe they made the main setting to be ‘The Sims’ how does that even work? #ihate5e
They rebooted Eberron, and now the whole place is overrun by warforged. The PCs have to go destroy Siberys-net. @ihate5e
- @Odyssey
Forgotten Eberron? They’ve gone too far! #ihate5e
D&D and MtG settings are merged via the “Coastapocalypse” module/event. Rules for using cards in game are released as quick starts #ihate5e
- @chgowiz
Sponsorship
@apearlma D&D Miniatures now randomly distributed in BK® Kids Meals? #ihate5e
I like how the books are a little cheaper, but do the official DM run games have to start with “Brought to you by Carls Jr”? #ihate5e
D&D 5e to be re-branded as Madden D&D 2010. Germaine the Fighter-Mage to appear on the injured list shortly. #ihate5e
Wow, Wizards found a way to put product placement in D&D. My adventuring team is officially sponsored by Pepsi. #ihate5e
Hasbro requires WOTC to adapt their board games as “Adventure Modules”. Hungry Hungry Hippos will be H1 in the new line #ihate5e
Feedback
Paizo announced that Pathfinder 2e will use D&D 4e rules
#ihate5e
Why hasn’t anyone complained about how they killed 4e? Errata’ing the word ‘attack’ in all cases to ‘hug’? Really? #ihate5e
Why couldn’t they just call it “5e”? Why did it have to be “D&D Vista Edition”?!? #ihate5e
@madbrewlabs I’ll just wait till they get it right with 6e.. #Ihate5e
- @SlatzG
Special Thanks to:
Mad Brew Labs (@madbrewlabs) of Mad Brew Labs
Jeff Rients (@jrients) of Jeffs Gameblog
Michael Erb (@merb101) of Review of Initiative
Marcel Beaudoin (@mudbunny 74)
John Pollock (@siliconwolf) of John “Direwolf” Pollock’s Page
Erin Palette (@ErinPalette) of Lurking Rhythmically
Mike Mearls (@mikemearls) of The Keep on the Gaming Lands and Wizards of the Coast
Thief of Hearts (@Thiefofhearts)
Corey Reid (@barsoomcore) of SCRaTCh fACtoRy
Kynn (@kynn) of Kynn.com
ditransitive (@ditransitive)
Matt Dukes (@direflail) of Stupid Ranger
Lucas Romo (@MacGuffen) of Ideamancer
Dave Chalker (@DaveTheGame) of Critical Hits
Danny Rupp (@bartoneus) of Critical Hits
Natalie Bennett (@Oddysey) of How to Start a Revolution in 21 Days or Less
Greywulf (@Greywulf) of Greywulf’s Lair
Jim Adams (@jimanda2)
Jake Fitch (@Milambus) of Milambus’s Game Codex
Jerall Toi (@jatori) of tenletter
Michael Wolf (@Sanastar) of Stargazer’s World
Bryan Blumklotz (@Saracenus)
G. Dustan Snyder (@WolfStar76) of The howl of the wolf
Chris Heard (@drcheard) of Icosahedrophilia
Kat Davs (@KattDavs)
NewbieDM (@newbieDM) of NewbieDM
Andy Pearlman (@apearlma)
mccoo1 (@mccoo1)
Matt Maranda (@mmaranda) of Armchair Comentor
Jason Beardsly (@SlatzG)
And again to @DaveTheGame of Critical Hits and @MacGuffen of Ideamancer for helping me edit this all together!
You can view more #iHate5e madness at Twitter Search.
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Very cool. Thanks for taking the time to put this together.
Thanks for visiting the blog!
To be honest, I would have liked to have found a way to get every single one, but since there were 345 #iHate5e tweets at last count, I’m not sure it would be possible.
Awesome! Who knew that it was going explode like that? Thanks for highlighting the birth of the beast known as #Ihate5e.
While I’m here, welcome to the RPGBN too.
Awww, I was really hoping my “Forgotten Eberron” would make the list.
Guess I’ll just have to settle for being “nominated” for the thumbprint joke.
Thanks for compiling these – and congrats on getting into the RPGBN.
I meant to put that one on there, but I couldn’t find it anywhere! I’ll see if I can update it.
Yea I thought Forgotten Eberron was going to make it for sure.
That exercise today was pretty fun, I got to meet some new people and I wracked up 3 chosen items on the chart! Score!
Always nice meeting more creative people on the web!
Best use of twitter. Ever.
Thanks for compiling!
I wish I was on twitter.
4E quote
“A half ling who is three feet tall and thirty-five pounds is only about as big as a typical three-year-old.
…hard to believe that a halfling warrior would really stand a chance against a monstrous savage marauder like a gnoll or orc.
So we decided that we would let halflings get closer to the size of 9- or 10-year-old kids. That means about four feet tall and roughly 65 pounds.”
5E.
“It is hard to believe a 6′ human could go toe-to-toe with a 200′ God so now we’ve increased all races to 75′ tall and 200 tons.”
Awww, sad to see that only one of mine is in the post.
Also I’m not credited at the end, but Dave’s on there so that’s good enough!
It was really interesting for me, being on twitter at the time it all unfolded and started happening was a very bizarre experience!
Darn it! I thought I had double-checked that everyone was credited! Sorry, give me one second and I’ll fix that.
Great, thanks!
Hang on a minute! Don’t we get the 4.5 edition first that will release the 6 PHB, DMG and MM books?
“bec-de-corbin controller”? Ha ha ha ha ha!
#ihate5e: Twitter Unites Speculative Hating, D&D – The Blogs at HowStuffWorks // Jun 5, 2009 at 10:33 am
[...] That part wasn’t clear until a post about the best of the best #ihate5e tweets went up over at allgeektout. We have @madbrewlabs and @jrients to thank for a three-tweet exchange on fourth-edition griping [...]
Thank you so much for compiling this crazily awesome list!
“The PHB is renamed “Dragon” and the DMG is called “Dungeon”. A new one is published monthly, via D&D Insider”
That’s… actually an interesting idea. I’ll have to ponder the possibilities.
Awesome list, too.
I’ve made a netbook that draws from all the hate twitters. You can check it out at:
http://blog.mostlyoriginal.net/2009/06/my-first-netbook.html
I Hate 5e D&D errata « Vulcan Stev's Database // Jun 6, 2009 at 11:30 pm
[...] scrolling through the tweets, I found out that my friend over at All Geek Out had already done so in this post. However more have been posted since his blog article, so I offer this errata for why I hate [...]
Added an errata (what’s a rule set without an errata)
http://vulcanstev.wordpress.com/2009/06/06/i-hate-5e-dd-errata/
Great article
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Holy crap – someone made a DragonRaid reference! jrients, I love you.
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